penalty because, one, you did break the law. but that's how i feel. >> bill: well, you know i tell you, stewart. we will know more of the details tomorrow. i am sure it's not going to be automatic automatic. i mean the previous version, i think obama's was five years. i do know two things. one, we haven't seen the details yet. they didn't put them out there. but one is they will define a path to citizenship but that won't even kick in until this commission certifies that we have done everything we can to secure the border and the fact is, we have done a lot in the last four years to secure the border. for many reasons there are far few people coming in. one of them is because there are a lot more guards on the border with drones and with other equipment they never had before. there are also not as many jobs here for people to come to. so that's not going to even kick in. once it does kick in, it's not going to be automatic. it may not be eight years. it may be five years. who knows? it probably also will be -- it will include pa